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 Replies: 140 — Last Post Nov. 23, 2008 5:06pm by kidd rune
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( kidd rune )
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 We saw the videos of the liberated concentration camps! 
Sure you did.
Did they have people gassing Jews and putting them in ovens? If so, show me these videos.
We have the diary of Anne Frank
Written in a ball point pen before they really existed - and "Looked after" by her father.
Yeah, sure you do. Also, did she write about - and PROVE - that people were mass gassed? I've read a lot of it - and she claims she had to be quiet or the "Evil Nazis will take them to Auschwitz" - maybe her parents just wanted her to shut...the...hell...up.
She was a chatterbox!
we have the fact that millions of Jews fled from Europe
Good - then they didn't die.
we have the fact that millions of Jews mysteriously disappeared off the face off the earth
Dependable statistics don't really exist explaining the population of Jews. Read this from Jurgen Graf:
Somebody unacquainted with the difficulties of the problem might assume that the real number of Jewish victims can be easily calculated by comparing pre-war and post-war population statistics, but this is not the case, for dependable statistics simply do not exist. To start with, the number of Jewish victims naturally depends on the definition of the word "Jewish", and there is no generally recognized such definition. Are the Jews a race, a nation or a religion? All three answers are partially true, but only partially. Can a person who was born into a Jewish familiy still be considered to be a Jew even if he has totally renounced the Jewish religion and tradition? I do not know the answer. Furthermore, regardless of how you define a Jew, the statistics about the Jewish world population are very contradictory and suspect from the very beginning because the figures are more often than not furnished by the Jewish organizations, which evidently have to respect the Holocaust dogma according to which roughy one third of the Jews were exterminated during World War Two. The leading pre-war expert on Jewish population statistics, Arthur Ruppin, stated that there were 16.7 million Jews in the world in 1939 (13). For the immediate postwar years, the World Almanac gave the following figures: 15.19 million in 1945 and 15.7 million in the following four years, from 1946 to 1949. But its 1949 issue, the World Almanac quoted the figures furnished by the American Jewish commitee according to which there had been 16.6 million Jews in 1939 and only 11.2 million in 1947 (14). On the other hand, in an article published in the Jewish-owned New York Times in early 1948, Hanson Baldwin, a military expert and specialist on Palestine, stated that there were between 15 and 18 million Jews worldwide (15). As you see, the Jewish world population statistics enable you as easily to prove that the Holocaust took place as they allow you to prove that it didn't; it just depends upon which statistics you prefer to believe. It's not in these statistics that we are going to find the answer to our question how many Jews really perished as a result of German policy.
You go preach your fucking lies to people who had family die in that atrocity and see how they like it!
I'm not preaching lies - I'm asking for proof.
Stop preacing YOUR lies - I'm not into your sappy stories.
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:39 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
We saw the videos of the liberated concentration camps!
Sure you did.
Did they have people gassing Jews and putting them in ovens? If so, show me these videos.
We have the diary of Anne Frank
Written in a ball point pen before they really existed - and "Looked after" by her father.
Yeah, sure you do. Also, did she write about - and PROVE - that people were mass gassed? I've read a lot of it - and she claims she had to be quiet or the "Evil Nazis will take them to Auschwitz" - maybe her parents just wanted her to shut...the...hell...up.
She was a chatterbox!
we have the fact that millions of Jews fled from Europe
Good - then they didn't die.
we have the fact that millions of Jews mysteriously disappeared off the face off the earth
Dependable statistics don't really exist explaining the population of Jews. Read this from Jurgen Graf:
Somebody unacquainted with the difficulties of the problem might assume that the real number of Jewish victims can be easily calculated by comparing pre-war and post-war population statistics, but this is not the case, for dependable statistics simply do not exist. To start with, the number of Jewish victims naturally depends on the definition of the word "Jewish", and there is no generally recognized such definition. Are the Jews a race, a nation or a religion? All three answers are partially true, but only partially. Can a person who was born into a Jewish familiy still be considered to be a Jew even if he has totally renounced the Jewish religion and tradition? I do not know the answer. Furthermore, regardless of how you define a Jew, the statistics about the Jewish world population are very contradictory and suspect from the very beginning because the figures are more often than not furnished by the Jewish organizations, which evidently have to respect the Holocaust dogma according to which roughy one third of the Jews were exterminated during World War Two. The leading pre-war expert on Jewish population statistics, Arthur Ruppin, stated that there were 16.7 million Jews in the world in 1939 (13). For the immediate postwar years, the World Almanac gave the following figures: 15.19 million in 1945 and 15.7 million in the following four years, from 1946 to 1949. But its 1949 issue, the World Almanac quoted the figures furnished by the American Jewish commitee according to which there had been 16.6 million Jews in 1939 and only 11.2 million in 1947 (14). On the other hand, in an article published in the Jewish-owned New York Times in early 1948, Hanson Baldwin, a military expert and specialist on Palestine, stated that there were between 15 and 18 million Jews worldwide (15). As you see, the Jewish world population statistics enable you as easily to prove that the Holocaust took place as they allow you to prove that it didn't; it just depends upon which statistics you prefer to believe. It's not in these statistics that we are going to find the answer to our question how many Jews really perished as a result of German policy.
You go preach your fucking lies to people who had family die in that atrocity and see how they like it!
I'm not preaching lies - I'm asking for proof.
Stop preacing YOUR lies - I'm not into your sappy stories.
Man you PEOPLE and your conspiracy theories! I suppose to you, your government planned the 9/11 plane attacks? And the moon is probably some sort of giant alien spaceship waiting to attack us? There have been mass graves uncovered, FILMS of the emaciated, desperate people who were locked up in there, irate Germans yelling about supremacy and how it isnt "too late"
What were those concentration camps for if it wasnt for killing?!
And another genuine question: why do you think this "lie" would be circulated? To what purpose?
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dont wonder why im not smiling, wonder why you are.
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( kidd rune )
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Yo the holocaust happened man how do you explain my dead grandfather and the millions of missing people and the fucking chambers that are still there?
Your dead Grandpa? Well, he could be a lie - I don't know if he really died. Or, he could be a guy that died in a concentration camp? How am I supposed to know? He isn't 6million people - is he? I didn't say it never happened, just A LOT of it is over exaggerated. And the chambers have been tested - no residue from poison gas.
And the eye-witness reports?
Ther are people that say it didn't happen too. There's also a thing called lying. People do it.
What about those people that know that they got abducted by aliens? They SAW IT ALL! There are hundreds that claim it. Did it really happen?
You're in the EXTREME minority in denying it, there's proof all over the place, people like you refuse to see it because you don't want to see it is all.
There's not really all this proof.
I used to believe the number - but I don't anymore. There isn't really much undeniable proof at all - just a bunch of claims that you don't know if they're true or false.
Hitler was an extreme fascist AKA racist. Hitler even had agreements with the Communist Russians (who he hated) to get as many Jews killed as possible!
That's odd considering many of the communists were, indeed, Jews.
Stalin may have had a Jewish father (We don't know his real father). Kaganovich had Jewish parents. Trostky had Jewish parents. Kamenev was a Jew, as was Zinoviev, Radek, Urtisky, Sverdlov, and more. Look at this USA telegram:
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6599/ustelegram01aus9.jpg
You can go to Washington DC and look at it too.
His mother died when he was a teenager and the doctor who he blamed was a Jew,
That isn't true.
he blamed the Jews for Germany losing the First World War!
No, he didn't. He was just pissed that they forced him to pay the largest debt in history - as were all of the Germans with their money being so valueless it was used as fuel for fires.
He was seriously crazy. His mother was his fathers cousin- maybe there was some genetic fuck ups in there, and dont forget that Hitler himself also slept with his cousin....
His mother was NOT his fathers cousin! Where did you read THAT bullshit? And where did you hear that he slept with his cousin?
And you're choosing to trust this man over millions of academics who know that the holocaust happened?!
What are you talking about? Nobody "Knows" that the Holocaust happened. They can't be 100% sure that all of the "Facts" are true - it's impossible. And I never said it didn't happen - it just didn't happen to the extent it is claimed to have.
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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( kidd rune )
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Man you PEOPLE and your conspiracy theories! I suppose to you, your government planned the 9/11 plane attacks? And the moon is probably some sort of giant alien spaceship waiting to attack us?
Conspiracy theory? I'm asking for proof. Nobody has delivered.
There have been mass graves uncovered, FILMS of the emaciated, desperate people who were locked up in there, irate Germans yelling about supremacy and how it isnt "too late"
Mass graves and emaciated people don't prove that 6million died and that there was a mass murder. It proves that people died - something I don't deny. It proves that there was TYPHUS. Typhus explains all of those piles of dead bodies, as well as the bombing by allies cutting off food supplies. Feed POW or your own people? Hard decision... Germans yelling about supremacy? Find me some of those videos, and PROVE that they weren't forced to do that or that they were actually Germans.
What were those concentration camps for if it wasnt for killing?!
Labor. Why would you kill your labor? That would have been BAD for the war effor.
Auschwitz was a massive military-industrial complex of 39 camps of which 19 mainly employed Jews. The factories at the "Monowitz No. 16 Camp" alone employed 126,000 workers. Holocaust expert, Leon Poliakov of Paris, in Breviary of Hate, page 134, in 1979 wrote that the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto was one of the Germans' "most important supply centers. The second in economic importance was the Lodz ghetto because it manufactured all kinds of goods, and, in particular, its textile industries constituted support of great value to the German economy."
And another genuine question: why do you think this "lie" would be circulated? To what purpose?
The Holocaust has given Jews:
Over $65 billion in aid from Germany.
Over $55 billion in aid from America. Israel, a prosperous country, receives $3.2 billion, (or $8 million a day) in foreign aid - more than any other country.
The 45,000 Jewish immigrants from Russia have the highest annual quota after Mexico. They enter as "refugees" without having to prove persecution! As "refugees" they are automatically entitled to full welfare benefits not subject to welfare reform cuts. Maybe more people should be like this:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23301873-2,00.html Post edited at 12:00 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 by kidd rune
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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sadnessness
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"His mother was NOT his fathers cousin! Where did you read THAT bullshit?
And where did you hear that he slept with his cousin?"
I apologize, his mother was his father's niece. (wikipedia: read it up) His mother died of breast cancer and her doctor was a Jew, Hitler blamed him. (source AQA history textbook and wikipedia) In Mein Kampf (his own autobiography) Hitler clearly states that he is anti-Semitic. The Jews did NOT enforce the fines on Germany, unless you are suggesting that Lloyd George, Woodrow Wilson and Georges Clemenceau were Jews? Once again, it was Hitlers niece whom he was suspected of having sexual relations with (how else do you explain her suicide after meetings with him?)
And personally i find niece a little more disturbing than cousin. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#The_Holocaust to work out more for yourself on the holocaust.
then climb out of Hitlers arse and admit that he was a nasty fucker!
Also: i have been to Auschwitz, i have seen the human hair, the sandals, and glasses, and bags and the gold teeth.
Did they make all this stuff synthetically to convince the rest of the world?
Post edited at 12:12 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 by sadnessness
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The Holocaust has given Jews:
Over $65 billion in aid from Germany.
Over $55 billion in aid from America. Israel, a prosperous country, receives $3.2 billion, (or $8 million a day) in foreign aid - more than any other country.
The 45,000 Jewish immigrants from Russia have the highest annual quota after Mexico. They enter as "refugees" without having to prove persecution! As "refugees" they are automatically entitled to full welfare benefits not subject to welfare reform cuts.
Congratulations, you have successfully eaten Hitlers propaganda. So why were disabled and Jewish people considered the best laborers? And why remove their teeth and hair on entering? If you really believe that typhus did that, then my God you are a little fascist. Israel is prosperous because it sells opium and oil! It isnt a stable, lovey-dovey decmocracy! Its always at war and has many people in poverty! Just because a country is successful, doesnt mean that no aid is needed. No Jew became a millionnaire off the back of the holocaust, and frankly if you're going to bullshit that they did, good for them, because they deserved it if they managed to survive that. Why would British soldiers want Jews to gain money from a lie? Why would french or American? Which country voluntarily give away money to people that dont need it? You dont want proof at all, because you are ignoring all the proof that is right in front of you. What is your reasoning behind tyhpus JUST hitting the concentration camps? Behind the people not being fed? Behind 20 people being cramped in one bed and forced to lie in their own shit?
Is it cost-cutting? Efficient labour?
Hitler wanted the Jews dead. Read Mein Kampf if you want proof on that. Buy a history textbook off Amazon and learn about the youth propaganda: Hitler taught the German youths not to mix with dirty Jews, and that they were to blame for the economic crash (which is BOLLOCKS!)
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dont wonder why im not smiling, wonder why you are.
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( kidd rune )
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I apologize, his mother was his father's niece. (wikipedia: read it up)
Half-niece, lol.
His mother died of breast cancer and her doctor was a Jew, Hitler blamed him. (source AQA history textbook and wikipedia)
Proof that he blamed him?
In Mein Kampf (his own autobiography) Hitler clearly states that he is anti-Semitic.
Tell me which chapter - and that doesn't prove that he killed them, does it? It doesn't prove that he wanted them all exterminated - does it?
The Jews did NOT enforce the fines on Germany, unless you are suggesting that Lloyd George, Woodrow Wilson and Georges Clemenceau were Jews?
The Allies did - $32,000,000,000 to be exact.
Once again, it was Hitlers niece whom he was suspected of having sexual relations with (how else do you explain her suicide after meetings with him?)
And personally i find niece a little more disturbing than cousin.
I believe the true story would have been something like this: Geli was very attractive and she knew it. Even in the 20's Hitler was somewhat of a celeb and women always flock to the "alfa male", I believe she deluded herself that her and Adolf could somehow be an "item" even though they were related (this seems to be a somewhat common practice in the mountains of Bavaria just like in area's of West virginia, that would explain why so many birth defects in the early 20th century). Hitler was too busy to worry about any of this and he may have unintentionally led her on by being polite but when told her she was not on his radar other than a friend, she was devastated. She may have already suffered from depression but this seems to put her over the edge. She killed herself with Hitlers gun. It makes good gossip to dream up other ideas, the History Channel (Right!) stated that her mother was furious with Hitler and others in the "circle" told stories of sexual intrique ect. I think this is all false and was put into play to make Hitler into some sort of a child molester( the term EVERYONE hates today).
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#The_Holocaust to work out more for yourself on the holocaust.
then climb out of Hitlers arse and admit that he was a nasty fucker!
Hitler was in love with his
Wikipedia.... I can give you PLENTY of books to read if you please.
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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JohnTheNormalOne
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What do you mean by 'preserving'?
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( kidd rune )
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Congratulations, you have successfully eaten Hitlers propaganda. So why were disabled and Jewish people considered the best laborers? And why remove their teeth and hair on entering?
They weren't - but they were THERE and ILLEGALLY there.
Why remove the hair? Typhus is spread with LICE.
The teeth? Where does it say that they pulled out all of the teeth of the victims - and if they were going to kill them, why all that trouble?
If you really believe that typhus did that, then my God you are a little fascist.
Typhus explains the dead bodies - but how does that make me a fascist? Do you know what Fascism is or do you just but words frowned upon by people and stick them to people you don't like?
Israel is prosperous because it sells opium and oil! It isnt a stable, lovey-dovey decmocracy! Its always at war and has many people in poverty! Just because a country is successful, doesnt mean that no aid is needed.
The fact that people think the Holocaust was a mass extermination of 6million Jews makes people think that they deserve Israel.
No Jew became a millionnaire off the back of the holocaust, and frankly if you're going to bullshit that they did, good for them, because they deserved it if they managed to survive that.
When you say "That" - we disagree on what "That" is.
Why would British soldiers want Jews to gain money from a lie? Why would french or American? Which country voluntarily give away money to people that dont need it?
Don't ask me - I'm not sending them money! Why would they find the death of six million Jews worse than 10 million Ukrainians or 15 million Russian Kulak Farmers or 12 million Russian political prisoners or 2.5 Cambodians or 1.5 million Armenians?
You dont want proof at all, because you are ignoring all the proof that is right in front of you.
I WANT proof - it just doesn't exist.
What is your reasoning behind tyhpus JUST hitting the concentration camps?
It's brought on lice. People have hair. Typhis is VERY uncommon nowadays - but back then it wasn't.
Behind the people not being fed?
No food? The Allies were bombing Germany - sometimes killion 1 million people at one time. They didn't even have food for their own citizens!
Behind 20 people being cramped in one bed and forced to lie in their own shit?
The pictures I've seen are of one or two people in one. Where did you get THIS info - another survivor?
Is it cost-cutting? Efficient labour?
Yes.
Hitler wanted the Jews dead. Read Mein Kampf if you want proof on that.
I have. He wanted them OUT OF GERMANY. He tried many times to get them to go other places, one of them being Madagascar - but NOT ALL OF THEM LEFT. Do you know what National Socialism is? It's centered around ONE people - the Folk.
Jews weren't a part of it - and were denied citizenship. No citizenship = not allowed to live there.
Buy a history textbook off Amazon and learn about the youth propaganda: Hitler taught the German youths not to mix with dirty Jews, and that they were to blame for the economic crash (which is BOLLOCKS!)
He wanted them to stop mixing with Jews, I know this - it was to was done to promote the further dissolution of Jewish genes, conversely to prevent the strengthening of any Jewish gene pool in Germany which might result from such unions. Because they were evil? Not really.
Do you want some books about the Holocaust? I have quite a few to give you...
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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( kidd rune )
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Quote: from JohnTheNormalOne at 3:33 pm on Nov. 16, 2008
What do you mean by 'preserving'?
Preserve:
to keep alive or in existence
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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros
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